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The Art of Talking Without Tearing Each Other Apart

Written by: on November 11, 2024

A few months ago, I found myself in one of those conversations you dread—an argument so loaded that it felt less like talking and more like defusing a bomb. A close friend of mine and I had stumbled into a political debate, one of those deeply divisive topics where both of us were convinced the other had it completely wrong. Within minutes, the conversation had turned heated, our words harder, and the connection between us started to fray.

This wasn’t what I wanted. It wasn’t about “winning” or proving a point. What I wanted was to understand, to bridge the gap, and to come away with both our friendship and some semblance of mutual respect intact. But I didn’t know how. So, instead, I shut the conversation down, retreating with an awkward joke that didn’t fool either of us.

Looking back, I wish I’d had How to Have Impossible Conversations by Peter Boghossian and James Lindsay in my hands. It’s a guide not just for talking about difficult topics but for navigating the minefields of modern discourse—where emotions run high, opinions clash, and understanding feels like a distant dream.

The book starts with a premise that should feel obvious but often isn’t: the point of a conversation isn’t to “win.” It’s to connect. That one idea alone flips the script on most of our discussions, especially those about contentious issues. So often, we approach conversations with our defenses up, armed with facts and arguments, ready to fight. But Boghossian and Lindsay argue that real dialogue starts with something much simpler—listening.

They outline strategies that build from foundational skills like asking open-ended questions and practicing active listening to advanced techniques like managing emotions and fostering genuine curiosity. What stands out most is their emphasis on humility—not the false kind where you pretend you’re open-minded but secretly hope to convert the other person—but real humility, where you genuinely allow space for doubt and discovery.

If I’d had this framework during that conversation with my friend, I would’ve started with questions rather than rebuttals. Instead of trying to prove I was right, I could’ve asked: Why do you feel so strongly about this? What personal experiences have shaped your view? I might’ve learned something surprising—something that didn’t just clarify their position but deepened my understanding of them as a person.

One of the most useful tools in the book is what the authors call “street epistemology,” a method of gently questioning beliefs to uncover the underlying reasons behind them. It’s not about tricking someone into doubt but about opening a space where both parties can reflect on their own thinking. This isn’t easy, especially when emotions are running high, but it’s profoundly effective when done with care and respect.

I’ve started trying some of these techniques in my own life, and the results have been… surprising. Just last week, I found myself in another potentially explosive discussion, this time about parenting styles. A family member and I have wildly different approaches, and the tension had been brewing for months. Instead of jumping in with my usual arsenal of opinions, I paused. I asked questions. I listened.

What happened next was almost magical. They started to open up—not just about their parenting philosophy but about the fears and hopes driving their choices. And for the first time, I didn’t feel defensive. I felt connected. By the end of the conversation, we hadn’t changed each other’s minds, but we’d bridged the gap. We both walked away with a better understanding of each other, and that felt like a win.

This is what How to Have Impossible Conversations teaches so beautifully: the goal isn’t to change minds—it’s to open them. And often, the first mind that opens is your own.

Boghossian and Lindsay also emphasize the importance of managing your emotions in these conversations. When we’re passionate about something, it’s easy to let frustration or anger take over, but that almost always leads to defensiveness and shutdown. The authors suggest grounding yourself in curiosity instead. What could I learn from this person? How could this conversation enrich my understanding, even if we don’t agree?

Looking back on that conversation with my friend, I see now that my mistake wasn’t having the argument—it was the way I approached it. I came in ready to debate, not to connect. I was more focused on being right than being present. If I’d taken a page from this book, the outcome could’ve been so different.

So, the next time you find yourself in one of those “impossible” conversations, try this: Pause. Ask questions. Listen with the intent to understand, not to reply. Recognize that the goal isn’t agreement but connection.

It’s not easy, and it won’t always work. But when it does, it’s transformative. Because in a world that feels more divided than ever, the simple act of having a real conversation—one where both parties feel heard and respected—is nothing short of revolutionary.

About the Author

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Mathieu Yuill

While raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens may be a few of Julia Andrews' favourite things, here are a few of mine: Talking to strangers, Learning about what you do for fun, Conversation over coffee. I own a marketing and communications company in Toronto, Canada called Leading With Nice. There are a lot of names I could have given the company but a trusted friend encouraged me to name it that because I really value the humanness in us all. Bah - this is starting to sound like a horrible LinkedIn post. So whatever, let's have coffee. I'd love to hear about what you do for fun!

One response to “The Art of Talking Without Tearing Each Other Apart”

  1. Jenny Dooley says:

    Hi Mathieu,

    You pulled the two best bits out of the book, “the point of a conversation isn’t to “win.” It’s to connect” and “real dialogue starts with something much simpler—listening.” I love your last sentence, “…the simple act of having a real conversation—one where both parties feel heard and respected—is nothing short of revolutionary.” I think Jesus was a master at listening and conversation. He compassionately got to heart of what was happening with people. What’s your favorite biblical account of Jesus listening?

    You did such an excellent job at hitting on the most salient parts of the book and showing us how to make practical application! Thank you for your vivid examples and exhibiting the courage to have hard and uncomfortable conversations.

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