{"id":4227,"date":"2015-03-01T19:49:37","date_gmt":"2015-03-01T19:49:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.georgefox.edu\/dminlgp\/?p=4227"},"modified":"2015-03-01T19:53:26","modified_gmt":"2015-03-01T19:53:26","slug":"what-to-make-of-it","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.georgefox.edu\/dlgp\/what-to-make-of-it\/","title":{"rendered":"What To Make Of It"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>(Reposted, since the link was broken.\u00a0 Thanks Bill and Liz for letting me know)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Sitting on the veranda of the oldest Baptist Church in Australia within the Central Business District in Melbourne, Australia my new Aussie friend and I were discussing life, our stories of faith, the weaving of doubt and faith, trust and control. The conversation between us flowed and was enjoyed as much as our cappuccinos. (If you are ever in Melbourne you will find their coffee and Melbourne\u2019s coffee culture exceeds anything you will find in the Pacific Northwest \u2013 home of Starbucks, Stumptown and numerous coffee suppliers). We both spoke \u201cEnglish,\u201d yet there were times when my \u201cAmerican\u201d English, in particular my \u201cNorthwest\u201d version of it and her Australian version, with its unique \u201cslang\u201d were words passing each other. Sometimes I did not know what she was saying; sometimes she did not know what I was saying. In the weeks and months that followed we learned from one another. I became accustomed to the Aussie culture and its particular slang. \u201cThe people as \u2018nation\u2019 is often seen as the bearer of a certain language or culture. The world is lived and sung in a way which is special to our nation and its language.\u201d<a href=\"#_ftn1\" name=\"_ftnref1\">[1]<\/a> My immanent frame, as Charles Taylor might refer to it, was stretched.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Sitting in a seminary classroom in 2007 I heard in the voice of my Missional Ecclesiology professor<a href=\"#_ftn2\" name=\"_ftnref2\">[2]<\/a> a perspective from outside the United States reflecting and informing my American viewpoint, \u201cDo you realize that following 9\/11 America had the good will of the world? (pause) And you squandered it.\u201d In an Old Testament classroom several months later I listened as methodically my professor set the stage as we considered \u201cwho\u201d God was for Israel: savior, redeemer, rescuer, warrior, protector, healer. On we went drawing from Scripture a biblical framework for God\u2019s character and relationship with Israel. Listening to the words of the priest Hananiah how could Jeremiah be a true prophet and how could Hananiah be the false one? Hananiah had the answers, what he proposed aligned with the God that had come through for Judah time and again. We were puzzled, what was the distinction? My immanent frame was being expanded.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>My immanent frame was constructed of assuredness, what was true and what was not and fidelity to what I knew as truth. You did not question; told what constituted beliefs I had sought to affirm that truth in my life. I fit in well with \u201cthe drive to a new form of religious life, more personal, committed, devoted; more christocentric.\u201d<a href=\"#_ftn3\" name=\"_ftnref3\">[3]<\/a> I was shaped by the reality of Christian life and what constituted that life. \u201cAdhere\u201d is a word that Charles Taylor uses, it fit me well. \u201cIndividualism, as it emerges from the process of Reform, is first of all that of responsibility. I have to adhere, in a personal commitment, to God, to Christ, to the Church.\u201d <a href=\"#_ftn4\" name=\"_ftnref4\">[4]<\/a> How did I remain within this framework and when did things begin to change? Where did the initial cracking occur? The answer comes within the time of life. My children were in public grade school playing youth sports on the weekends; my personal interactions with others began to change. These interactions paved the way for exposure. Taylor\u2019s description of social order as a blueprint for how we understand God\u2019s plan describes my view and how I wanted to be viewed.<a href=\"#_ftn5\" name=\"_ftnref5\">[5]<\/a> \u201cStrong Christianity will demand allegiance to certain theological beliefs or ecclesiastical structures, and this will split a society which should be intent simply on securing mutual benefit.\u201d<a href=\"#_ftn6\" name=\"_ftnref6\">[6]<\/a> So how or why did I not remain closed? How have I remained anchored and open?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>James K.A. Smith asked a pointed question in <em>How (Not) To Be Secular: Reading Charles Taylor<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\">\u201cA lot of contemporary apologetics, bent on \u2018defending the faith\u2019 against charges of the\u00a0 new atheists, seem to offer a transcendent \u2018spin\u2019 as the alternative to immanent \u2018spin.\u2019 What might a Christian apologetic look like that offers a transcendent \u2018take\u2019 on our experience, even at points recognizing the force and persuasive power of an immanent \u2018take\u2019?\u201d[7]<\/p>\n<p>This changes the conversation. It describes the shift I have experienced.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Smith and Taylor reminded me of Alan Jamieson\u2019s book, <em>A Churchless Faith: Faith Journeys Beyond the Churches.<\/em> Jamieson\u2019s book resulted from interviews conducted in New Zealand in the mid-late 1990\u2019s. His interviews and interactions with church leavers revealed not an absence of faith, but continuing faith. He recognized in the stories of church leavers a pattern developed. The \u201cprogression\u201d is not a linear process; there is often an ebb and flow. Sometimes a tipping point is all that is needed while others find their way by investing in the questions. Jamieson drew upon the faith stages work of James Fowler to comprehend what he was seeing among church leavers. Those who have made their way are described as \u201cIntegrated Wayfinders\u201d characterized by an interdependency for their inner faith life and toward relationships. They expressed an integrated faith \u2013 comfortable with and able to hold the tensions, often reflecting a more generous posture toward those of other faiths (or no faith). Their faith is self-governing, a faith they take ownership for and are active in praxis. Rather than a weakened faith, they have \u2018come out\u2019 with a strong and secure faith.<a href=\"#_ftn8\" name=\"_ftnref8\">[8]<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>One of the questions I am attending to is what self-governing is in relationship with and toward what end? What represented authority in their life prior to leaving church? How is authority represented in their life now, in relationship to what? If humanity within our secular frame affirms self as the authority what is different when one has a self-governing faith? (Questions, questions!). Taylor has reminded me, rather strongly, that for those of faith who are shaped by an open world view in which God is present our framework must change in orientation. Rather than continue to function as if belief in God is the expected norm we need to think from the standpoint (orientation) that the norm is now that belief in God is no longer the prevailing world view. This upsets the apple cart of how I might structure church in the present with an eye toward the future. No longer a provider of goods and services that offer something for others to partake in, \u201ccome here, join us.\u201d Our transformation will require an investment in the challenges of belief and of secularism by conversation and listening.<a href=\"#_ftn9\" name=\"_ftnref9\">[9]<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe can never know God. The one who lies behind Creation can never be grasped directly.\u201d<a href=\"#_ftn10\" name=\"_ftnref10\">[10]<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><a href=\"#_ftnref1\" name=\"_ftn1\">[1]<\/a> Charles Taylor, <em>A Secular Age <\/em>(Cambridge, MA: Belknap Press of Harvard University, 2007), 579.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><a href=\"#_ftnref2\" name=\"_ftn2\">[2]<\/a> Just in case you are wondering, my professor in that Fall 2007 course was Dr. Jason Clark.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><a href=\"#_ftnref3\" name=\"_ftn3\">[3]<\/a> Taylor, 541.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><a href=\"#_ftnref4\" name=\"_ftn4\">[4]<\/a> Ibid.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref5\" name=\"_ftn5\"><\/a>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 [5] Ibid. , 543.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref6\" name=\"_ftn6\"><\/a>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 [6] Ibid., 546.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref7\" name=\"_ftn7\"><\/a>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 [7] James K.A. Smith, <em>How (Not) To Be Secular: Reading Charles Taylor <\/em>(Grand Rapids, MI: William B. Eerdmans Publishing, 2014), 96.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref8\" name=\"_ftn8\"><\/a>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 [8] Alan Jamieson, <em>A Churchless Faith: Faith Journeys Beyond the Churches <\/em>(London: Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge, 2002), 98, 100, 102.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref9\" name=\"_ftn9\"><\/a>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 [9] Smith, 120.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref10\" name=\"_ftn10\"><\/a>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 [10] Taylor, 763.<\/p>\n<p>Note: initially published (British time on 1\/28 @5:01 p.m.)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>(Reposted, since the link was broken.\u00a0 Thanks Bill and Liz for letting me know) &nbsp; Sitting on the veranda of the oldest Baptist Church in Australia within the Central Business District in Melbourne, Australia my new Aussie friend and I were discussing life, our stories of faith, the weaving of doubt and faith, trust and [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":26,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[491,2,186],"class_list":["post-4227","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-lgp4-3","tag-dminlgp","tag-taylor","cohort-lgp4"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.georgefox.edu\/dlgp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4227","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.georgefox.edu\/dlgp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.georgefox.edu\/dlgp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.georgefox.edu\/dlgp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/26"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.georgefox.edu\/dlgp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4227"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.georgefox.edu\/dlgp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4227\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4229,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.georgefox.edu\/dlgp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4227\/revisions\/4229"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.georgefox.edu\/dlgp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4227"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.georgefox.edu\/dlgp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4227"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.georgefox.edu\/dlgp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4227"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}