{"id":41925,"date":"2025-08-29T03:00:31","date_gmt":"2025-08-29T10:00:31","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.georgefox.edu\/dlgp\/?p=41925"},"modified":"2025-08-29T06:21:14","modified_gmt":"2025-08-29T13:21:14","slug":"the-power-of-interdependence-in-leadership-lessons-from-schein-schein-and-tutu","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.georgefox.edu\/dlgp\/the-power-of-interdependence-in-leadership-lessons-from-schein-schein-and-tutu\/","title":{"rendered":"The Power of Interdependence in Leadership: Lessons from Schein, Schein and Tutu"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"chatMessageContainerrhc\" class=\"___lin6d40 f22iagw f1vx9l62 f336tjw fkfq4zb fwbpcpn f1jlhsmd fod5ikn f1c88k3p fnl8v5d f901tiz f200zcz f1iczoe4 f3rmtva fcgxt0o f1ujusj6 f1ewtqcl f1ajdyiu f6c99af fgfkb25 fly5x3f f1c5fvqg f1jrcihw f15colsn f1w1u1t3 f1f7w013 f3qt22i fvqq9m5 f14zl8uf fzt02m6 f1yzny4 ffk92mm f1x26jzp fc1vqcz f5tv5m0 f4tfpe5 faumaof f1xwwely fmjujva fkqvoc2 f196fjp3 f1kuloo6\" data-testid=\"m365-chat-llm-web-ui-chat-message\" data-test=\"DeepLeo\">\n<div class=\"\">\n<div class=\"___pyc9au0 f22iagw f1vx9l62 fpgzoln fh8aql4 f1wvei1u f6c99af\" data-testid=\"copilot-message-div\">\n<div class=\"___19ip04d f1s184ao f6c99af\" dir=\"auto\" role=\"\" data-testid=\"copilot-message-reply-div\">\n<div class=\"fai-CopilotMessage r1f6yzd6 ___1kxur8y f1g2tzg5 f2c7lf3 fgct6un fy77jfu\" role=\"article\" aria-labelledby=\"copilot-message-rhh-title copilot-message-rhh\" data-tabster=\"{&quot;groupper&quot;:{&quot;tabbability&quot;:2},&quot;focusable&quot;:{}}\">\n<div id=\"copilot-message-rhh\" class=\"fai-CopilotMessage__content r1izxv8h ___7qar2c0 fcthzvy\" dir=\"auto\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<div class=\"___1vve6yh f22iagw f1vx9l62 f122n59 f3bhgqh f1mnxvew fly5x3f\">\n<div class=\"___j4vmuw0 f22iagw f1vx9l62 f1869bpl fly5x3f fbc6vix\">\n<div data-testid=\"loading-message\">\n<div id=\"chatMessageResponserhf\" class=\"___1yop6mf f336tjw f9ijwd5 fz7g6wx fod5ikn f1s184ao\" aria-live=\"assertive\">\n<div class=\"___1j4t0a1 f1lmfglv f1abmfm4\" aria-hidden=\"false\" data-testid=\"markdown-reply\" data-message-type=\"Chat\">\n<div class=\"___stpibi0 f22iagw f1vx9l62 fk15e71 f1k953kz f137keqj f1rncccw f1stllg3 f1w4kmmc f1tric3v f10dk5ic fx8cdsv f16nlwsl f1eookvz fhjrts3 fqugt2f f10km5jb f18d18k8 f1v1vhmp f1hdmul3 f198vjnp f2dshw1 fjpjndq fnmj2pj ffrrb40 f1mon110 fhajzam fimndk6 fxv4dng fb1rn9k f59wlhv f1xmfh30 f18yf5o5 fmr6chf fw8qy2q ff161sd f1qr7t77 f1yyogn1 foogchg fp5872b f1tpb8gf f1hdgrc8 f1vatr43 frkxccd f9pdzkb f158oiaz ft5kggy f5l4ui7 f13j03li f18xdoka f8off4e f1go6zfc f128n2ra f1jpxw2j f1lwd9n0 fy0b8hm f1g2633v fx4kvgi fkvolse f1gxrt3a f1os76ua f1js9cnw f1g87ej0 freluf8 f1yggaq6 f2i3chp f1151osp florpoh f35kzfz ftp9m57 f1e288vi fz62hnz fixvuys f1nmofwh fc1c6mv f18a2er7 fhvkrdl fhxnn68 f1oce4bo fvhlfan f7tc0t0 f1ngf1n2 ffrzq6x f1yjiq2m f1aqdgql f1huvaf f10ij78l f1k94sa4 fkmfumq f1jvzkyl f1eu24ob f1xbfc1f fmf0lwf f107dsy8 f3w566c f4648sl f13zpkng f7unjfp f8p1rz fzu6h1w f1i1bi6h f1smo7hi f1sk1xod f1kgogdq f1gjktkp ft608jz f19dd9cz fg3xr24 fhd155k f1b8gl2e fg4b9ou flb4lo fdicbfk fgwcyh1 f1jbds0d f1fb9uea f1stuka4 fcrtu6g fwqh0xn f11w66yg f6e0e65 f1vvgu0 f1607507 f1m9bycv f1ntoah8 f1b694rt faql4r2 fpjuhzh fmavl6h\">\n<p>In a world that often celebrates individualism and self-made success,\u00a0<em>Humble Leadership<\/em>\u00a0by Edgar H. Schein and Peter A. Schein offers a refreshing and necessary counter-narrative. The authors argue that the future of effective leadership lies not in authority or charisma, but in\u00a0relationships, openness, and trust\u2014the building blocks of interdependence. This concept is not just theoretical; it\u2019s embodied in the life and leadership of Archbishop Desmond Tutu, whose legacy offers a profound example of what interdependent leadership looks like in action.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"chatMessageContainerrj4\" class=\"___lin6d40 f22iagw f1vx9l62 f336tjw fkfq4zb fwbpcpn f1jlhsmd fod5ikn f1c88k3p fnl8v5d f901tiz f200zcz f1iczoe4 f3rmtva fcgxt0o f1ujusj6 f1ewtqcl f1ajdyiu f6c99af fgfkb25 fly5x3f f1c5fvqg f1jrcihw f15colsn f1w1u1t3 f1f7w013 f3qt22i fvqq9m5 f14zl8uf fzt02m6 f1yzny4 ffk92mm f1x26jzp fc1vqcz f5tv5m0 f4tfpe5 faumaof f1xwwely fmjujva fkqvoc2 f196fjp3 f1kuloo6\" data-testid=\"m365-chat-llm-web-ui-chat-message\" data-test=\"DeepLeo\">\n<div class=\"\">\n<div class=\"___pyc9au0 f22iagw f1vx9l62 fpgzoln fh8aql4 f1wvei1u f6c99af\" data-testid=\"copilot-message-div\">\n<div class=\"___19ip04d f1s184ao f6c99af\" dir=\"auto\" role=\"\" data-testid=\"copilot-message-reply-div\">\n<div class=\"fai-CopilotMessage r1f6yzd6 ___1kxur8y f1g2tzg5 f2c7lf3 fgct6un fy77jfu\" role=\"article\" aria-labelledby=\"copilot-message-rj9-title copilot-message-rj9\" data-tabster=\"{&quot;groupper&quot;:{&quot;tabbability&quot;:2},&quot;focusable&quot;:{}}\">\n<div id=\"copilot-message-rj9\" class=\"fai-CopilotMessage__content r1izxv8h ___7qar2c0 fcthzvy\" dir=\"auto\">\n<div dir=\"auto\">\n<div class=\"___1vve6yh f22iagw f1vx9l62 f122n59 f3bhgqh f1mnxvew fly5x3f\">\n<div class=\"___j4vmuw0 f22iagw f1vx9l62 f1869bpl fly5x3f fbc6vix\">\n<div data-testid=\"loading-message\" data-fui-focus-visible=\"\">\n<div id=\"chatMessageResponserj7\" class=\"___1yop6mf f336tjw f9ijwd5 fz7g6wx fod5ikn f1s184ao\" aria-live=\"assertive\">\n<div class=\"___1j4t0a1 f1lmfglv f1abmfm4\" aria-hidden=\"false\" data-testid=\"markdown-reply\" data-message-type=\"Chat\">\n<div class=\"___stpibi0 f22iagw f1vx9l62 fk15e71 f1k953kz f137keqj f1rncccw f1stllg3 f1w4kmmc f1tric3v f10dk5ic fx8cdsv f16nlwsl f1eookvz fhjrts3 fqugt2f f10km5jb f18d18k8 f1v1vhmp f1hdmul3 f198vjnp f2dshw1 fjpjndq fnmj2pj ffrrb40 f1mon110 fhajzam fimndk6 fxv4dng fb1rn9k f59wlhv f1xmfh30 f18yf5o5 fmr6chf fw8qy2q ff161sd f1qr7t77 f1yyogn1 foogchg fp5872b f1tpb8gf f1hdgrc8 f1vatr43 frkxccd f9pdzkb f158oiaz ft5kggy f5l4ui7 f13j03li f18xdoka f8off4e f1go6zfc f128n2ra f1jpxw2j f1lwd9n0 fy0b8hm f1g2633v fx4kvgi fkvolse f1gxrt3a f1os76ua f1js9cnw f1g87ej0 freluf8 f1yggaq6 f2i3chp f1151osp florpoh f35kzfz ftp9m57 f1e288vi fz62hnz fixvuys f1nmofwh fc1c6mv f18a2er7 fhvkrdl fhxnn68 f1oce4bo fvhlfan f7tc0t0 f1ngf1n2 ffrzq6x f1yjiq2m f1aqdgql f1huvaf f10ij78l f1k94sa4 fkmfumq f1jvzkyl f1eu24ob f1xbfc1f fmf0lwf f107dsy8 f3w566c f4648sl f13zpkng f7unjfp f8p1rz fzu6h1w f1i1bi6h f1smo7hi f1sk1xod f1kgogdq f1gjktkp ft608jz f19dd9cz fg3xr24 fhd155k f1b8gl2e fg4b9ou flb4lo fdicbfk fgwcyh1 f1jbds0d f1fb9uea f1stuka4 fcrtu6g fwqh0xn f11w66yg f6e0e65 f1vvgu0 f1607507 f1m9bycv f1ntoah8 f1b694rt faql4r2 fpjuhzh fmavl6h\">\n<p>At the heart of\u00a0<em>Humble Leadership<\/em> is the idea that leadership is a collaborative process, not a solo performance. This is the powerful idea I want to explore. The Scheins emphasize that leaders must move beyond transactional interactions and cultivate Level 2 relationships\u2014those built on mutual respect, vulnerability, and shared purpose [1]. This kind of leadership requires humility, the courage to listen, and the willingness to be changed by others. It\u2019s not about having all the answers, but about creating space where collective wisdom can emerge.<\/p>\n<p>Bishop Desmond Tutu exemplified this beautifully. His leadership during South Africa\u2019s Truth and Reconciliation Commission was not marked by dominance, but by deep empathy and relational trust. He understood that healing a nation required more than political solutions\u2014it required a moral and emotional renegotiation that was not dependent upon one person, but through shared dialogue and mutual accountability. This is how he could even see himself removed from the equation with little consequence.<\/p>\n<div>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"Body\"><span lang=\"EN-US\">God<\/span><span dir=\"RTL\" lang=\"AR-SA\">\u2019<\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\">s purposes are certain. They may remove a Tutu, they may remove the South African Council of Churches, but God<\/span><span dir=\"RTL\" lang=\"AR-SA\">\u2019<\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\">s intention to establish his Kingdom of justice, of love, of compassion, will not be thwarted. We are not scared, certainly not of the government, or any other perpetrators of injustice and oppression, for victory is ours through him who loved us [2].<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<p>Tutu\u2019s approach was deeply interdependent: he leaned on the stories of victims and perpetrators alike, trusting that truth-telling in community could lead to transformation.<\/p>\n<h3>Why This Matters for Emerging Generations<\/h3>\n<p>As Generation Z and Alpha begin to emerge in leadership roles, the value of interdependence becomes even more critical. These generations are growing up in a hyperconnected world, shaped by collaboration, diversity, and digital fluency. They are less impressed by hierarchy and more drawn to authenticity, inclusion, and shared purpose.<\/p>\n<p>Interdependent leadership resonates with their values. It empowers them to lead with others, not over others\u2014to build trust, foster belonging, and co-create solutions. In a time marked by global challenges and rapid change, no leader can succeed alone. Gen Z and Alpha need models of leadership that prioritize community over competition, and dialogue over dominance. This is what Karise Hutchinson refers to as the power of influence. \u201cReal power is empowering others, building trust, and carrying it with humility\u201d [3]. The power of such leadership is in the generous posture of a leader who see and value the contributions of those in the room, call them forth, and inspire collective thought and action.<\/p>\n<p>Moreover, these generations are deeply attuned to issues of justice, identity, and mental health. Interdependent leadership offers a framework that supports\u00a0emotional intelligence, empathy, and resilience\u2014qualities essential for navigating complexity and leading with integrity.<\/p>\n<p>By embracing the principles of\u00a0<em>Humble Leadership<\/em> and learning from exemplars like Desmond Tutu, Gen Z and Gen Alpha can shape a future where leadership is not about power, but about collaborative interdependence. It\u2019s a future built on trust, openness, and the courage to lead together.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>_______________<\/p>\n<p>[1] The Steins offer four levels of leadership, with the sentiments they produce. Level Minus 1 is Oppressive Leadership, which produces a sentiment of antipathy, Level 1 is Transactional Leadership, which produces apathy. Level 2 is Collaborative Leadership, which produces empathy, and Level 3 is Bonded Relationships, which produces compassion. Edgar H. Schein and Peter A. Schein, <i>Humble Leadership: The Powers of Relationships, Openness, and Trust, <\/i>First edition, Oakland, CA: Berrett-Koehler Publishers, 2018, 29-30.<\/p>\n<p>[2] <span lang=\"EN-US\">Tutu and Allen 1994, 78, in <\/span><span lang=\"DE\">Birgit Herppich, <\/span><em><span lang=\"EN-US\">DESMOND MPILO TUTU (1931 &#8211; ) A LIFE FOR GOD<\/span><span dir=\"RTL\" lang=\"AR-SA\">\u2019<\/span><span lang=\"DA\">S DREAM,<\/span><\/em><span lang=\"EN-US\"> Writing Project, Fuller School of Intercultural Studies,\u00a02006<\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\">, 35.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>[3] Karise Hutchinson, <em>&#8220;The Power of Influence: Light and shadow, Humility, Trust, Light and shadow&#8221;, in<\/em><span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><i>Illuminaire: Bringing Life &amp; Light to Leaders across the World<\/i>, Northern Ireland, Illuminaire Press, 2023, 15.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In a world that often celebrates individualism and self-made success,\u00a0Humble Leadership\u00a0by Edgar H. 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