{"id":13863,"date":"2017-09-07T11:54:43","date_gmt":"2017-09-07T18:54:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.georgefox.edu\/dminlgp\/?p=13863"},"modified":"2017-09-07T11:54:43","modified_gmt":"2017-09-07T18:54:43","slug":"how-african-is-egypt","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.georgefox.edu\/dlgp\/how-african-is-egypt\/","title":{"rendered":"How African is Egypt?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Thomas C. Oden\u2019s book, <em>How Africa Shaped the Christian Mind: Rediscovering the African Seedbed of Western Christianity<\/em> challenged me and how I have considered Christianity. It is true that many westerners and Europeans have viewed Africa Christianity with the same sort of mindset that the colonizers did. Many hold the attitude that every academic or spiritual nugget being exported out of Africa must have been imported there to begin with. Oden pointed out that not only has Africa been solidly Christian for hundreds of years, but even what we would consider \u201cearly Christianity\u201d was influenced by African thought. Oden points out that Christianity has been in Africa so long that it should be consider indigenous to the region.<\/p>\n<p>Oden writes persuasively, \u201cSome scholars of African culture have regrettably acquired a persistent habit of assuming that Christianity began in Africa only a couple centuries ago, strictly imported \u2018the west\u2019 or \u2018the north.\u2019 They appear to view Africa as only two or three centuries deep, not two or three millennia.\u201d<a href=\"#_ftn1\" name=\"_ftnref1\">[1]<\/a> Oden continues a few pages later, \u201cIf ancient Christianity is not yet indigenous, then the 17<sup>th<\/sup> century arrival of many Bantus in Zuzuland is not yet indigenous. If first-millennium Christianity is not yet traditional in Africa, then the seventh-century arrival of Arabic cultures to Africa is not yet traditional.\u201d<a href=\"#_ftn2\" name=\"_ftnref2\">[2]<\/a> These are powerful statements and true observations. I certainly think the mindset of Christianity in Africa needs to change, and we should recognize much more of the influence that came from that region.<\/p>\n<p><em>However\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I did notice that the majority of Africa contributions that Oden listed seemed to come from Egypt. And so one question I would ask the author for more explanation would be \u201chow African is Egypt.\u201d And as soon as I asked this question in my head, Oden answered it in the next paragraph. But he answered it briefly and seemed to dismiss the whole question with one wave of his hand calling it prejudice to think so. But yet I believe this to be a significant question because the majority of this African Christian influence Oden was pointing to took place in Egypt, and so a large portion of his argument rests on it. So my follow-up and more precise question would be <em>\u201chow African do Egyptians consider themselves?\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I was wrecked by this thought, and so I sought out to personally investigate further and to get as close to real information as I could get by asking people who have actually lived in Egypt.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>To my Egyptian American friend, who moved to the USA as an adult, I asked him if he considered himself African and if most Egyptians consider themselves African. He replied, \u201cOf course, I\u2019m African. I\u2019m not black though.\u201d He understood why I was asking though and he went on to explain that in his experience, many Egyptians try not associate themselves as being called African out a sense of prejudice, but in his experience many of those people tend to be the uneducated of Egypt.<\/li>\n<li>To my friend serving as a Missionary in Egypt, I asked the same question, and this is the example she gave to best describe common opinion in Egypt. She said, \u201cWe were living in Cairo and we told our\u00a0Egyptian\u00a0friends we were going to visit Kenya. Every friend we told said \u2018oh you are going to Africa!?\u2019\u00a0So they definitely don\u2019t see themselves as Africans. I would say most identify themselves as Egyptians first and then Arabs.\u201d<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>And if you think about it, it\u2019s really not that crazy for people to garner most of their identity from their country and not their continent. Do people of other countries define their identity by their continent? In the USA, we only call ourselves \u201cAmerican\u201d because America happens to be in our countries name. When I say I\u2019m proud to ab American, I\u2019m referring to being from the USA, not that I\u2019m a citizen of the western hemisphere. Do the English gather a lot of their identity from being \u201cEuropean\u201d? Do Panamanians call themselves or even care that they are \u201cNorth American\u201d? Do we see Brazilians calling themselves American? Can Canadians share credit and be celebrated for thought that has come from Costa Rica?<\/p>\n<p>To point out more problems, we could consider who defined Africa and see that the definition of continents are just conventions. They are just things, and continent lines have differed between cultures (some even label the total world continent count as low as four). Ironically even the initial geographical label of Africa came from the \u2018the north\u2019. There are many more inconsistencies beyond this. So considering all of this I think it is a fair question to ask, that it may not be entirely fair to give credit to a whole continent for something done in a particular corner of Africa.<\/p>\n<p>Although I have probably side-stepped away from Oden\u2019s main point in the book, it was the concept that most stretched my mind into thinking globally. It sent me down a path where I began to see how different cultures view themselves within global and continental frameworks. Whether Egyptians are or consider themselves unanimously African or not, Oden\u2019s points challenged many of my western assumptions in a way I am grateful for.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref1\" name=\"_ftn1\">[1]<\/a> Thomas C. Oden,\u00a0<em>How Africa Shaped the Christian Mind: Rediscovering the African Seedbed of Western Christianity<\/em>\u00a0(Downers Grove: Intervarsity Press, 2010), 25.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref2\" name=\"_ftn2\">[2]<\/a>\u00a0Ibid.,\u00a031.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">Works Cited<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Oden, Thomas C.\u00a0How Africa Shaped the Christian Mind: Rediscovering the African Seedbed of Western Christianity. Downers Grove: Intervarsity Press, 2010.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Thomas C. Oden\u2019s book, How Africa Shaped the Christian Mind: Rediscovering the African Seedbed of Western Christianity challenged me and how I have considered Christianity. It is true that many westerners and Europeans have viewed Africa Christianity with the same sort of mindset that the colonizers did. 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